I don't usually post things from the dailykos. It's usually just totally one sided and opinion driven and promotes divisiveness and there is just way too much of that stuff going around. But I do like to look there and at the other side too. I think it's good to be exposed to all sides of things and yes. I do try too watch Fox and listen to Rush and those things too.
Here is a good example of why I do that.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/09/24/1424553/-This-124-second-video-shows-just-how-much-right-wingers-hate-Pope-Francis#
Monday, September 28, 2015
I don't usually post things from the dailykos. It's usually just totally one sided and opinion driven and promotes divisiveness and there is just way too much of that stuff going around. But I do like to look there and at the other side too. I think it's good to be exposed to all sides of things and yes. I do try too watch Fox and listen to Rush and those things too.
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I like Rush.
ReplyDeleteHe is a very capable entertainer.
ReplyDeleteSorry. I've met him and that's the second best thing I can manage to say about him.
This was a VERY one-sided and inflamitory article and video. And it uses misinformation to push an agenda.
ReplyDeleteFor starters, they misquote the Pope when they say that he "declared money the root of all evil". What the Pope actually said was that:
"Inequality is the root of social evil."
And it is in the Gospel of Timothy where " love of money is the root of all evil" NOT "money is the root of all evil".
Then there's the video. They take five-second clips out of context and string them together to make a montage of hate. Is it possible that the people in the video like Francis, but have criticisms about how parts of his views can have negative financial or political impact? But the video takes very short snippets and strings them together out of context to push an agenda.
We could take this quote by the Pope:
“The family is also threatened by growing efforts on the part of some to redefine the very institution of marriage, by relativism, by the culture of the ephemeral, by a lack of openness to life,”
And we could talk about how left-wingers hate the Pope because he is pro-life and anti-gay. About how he wants to oppress women by telling them they shouldn't use contraceptives and certainly shouldn't get abortions. About how he believes homosexuality is a sin and believes that marriage should be between a man and a woman.
But ultimately Pope Francis is neither left-wing or right-wing; he is Catholic. It is us - politically obsessed consumers of media - who try to box the Pope's messages into digestible right-wing or left-wing pieces.
I'm mostly with you on everything you said. If you look at the intro/header I wrote you can see where I agree.
ReplyDeleteMy only difference is that you seem to be talking about these folks are they may be in real life. The snippets and clips are not to my knowledge actually different than the context of the parts they play on Fox/Mother Jone/Breitbart, etc. They promote the views expressed in the video because that is their bread and butter.
That is not any different than people on the other side like dailykoz or MSNBC or Last Week putting together shows, clip and rants like this one.
I don't watch and listen to these shows to learn about the items they are "reporting" on. I do it to help me understand why otherwise good and reasonably intelligent people are so completely certain that either this guy or that one is the worst or best thing that has ever happened since the dawn of time.
That said: I am pretty pleased with the pope.
"My only difference is that you seem to be talking about these folks are they may be in real life."
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Anywho, I'm not saying this or that is not their view. I think their view is that capitalism is a good base for a country to build its economy on, and that they believe some of the Pope's comments are criticisms of capitalism. If that is what you mean when you say "they promote the views expressed in the video", then I agree. But if you are saying (like the article and video imply) that they hate the Pope and they believe that he is ushering in some sort of cultural apocalypse, then I disagree.
I believe their thesis could be boiled down to "some of the recent comments by the Pope seem to imply that he believes capitalism to be a poor economic platform. We disagree with that assertion and believe that capitalism is based in sound principals and compares favorably to competing economic doctrine." Well, that would be a concise, less inflammatory, accurate representation of their views. But they have an entire show to fill everyday, so they use hyperbolic language and inflammatory tactics to fill time and create controversy. Then, dailykos takes the most hyperbolic and inflammatory clips and strings them together to push their own agenda.
Yes, it is ridiculous of these shows to use outlandish language/tactics to create controversy, divide the populace, and fill time. But it is no less ridiculous to use the most hyperbolic snippets in the video and misquoting the Pope to push an agenda. Neither one is good, and pointing to the other and saying "but he's doing it too" isn't a good defense.
Your into/header isn't very clear in its intent. You say that dailykos is usually one-sided, opinion-driven, and divisive; and you say that you don't usually post things from them. That implied to me that you don't usually post from them because you believe them to be one-sided and decisive; but you did post this, so does that mean you believe this to be fair and impartial? I don't think you believe that; I'm just saying your intention is unclear from your header. You could also be saying "hey, look at all these clips from the right-wing crazies", or you could be saying "hey, look at how the left-wing crazies edited this video and misquoted the Pope". It is unclear.
I don't think that looking at the extreme fringe of either side is a good way to expose oneself to the other side, and that's kinda what I think is going on here.
My intent with my previous comment was two-fold. First, I was hoping to say that the clips, article, and video are all just pushing an agenda. The second was that I don't feel that the Pope's comments are neither left nor right, and distorting his comments to fit a leftist or rightists agenda is disreputable. I'm not saying that having an opinion on his comments is wrong, or that wondering how his comments might impact culture/politics/economics is wrong. What's wrong is contorting his comments in a way that boxes him into group that he isn't a part of.
Granted - and so stipulated.
ReplyDeleteTo be clear though - I shared this because while these "newsfolks" might not harbor any ill will towards the pope they do a good job in fomenting that sort of thing in their target audience. Yes, the koz did a hatchet job and that is not a good thing, but the content of the video is entirely consistent and a fair representation of their work product.
I myself tend to be more moderate. I get my news from a variety of sources and often (or usually) look to other sources for different versions or slants to get to understand not just what happened but why different people understand things so differently. For example, if I read about something from the BBC then I'll try to see how AlJazeera covered it too.
On the bright side of things though. It seems to me that Fox is drifting way more to the left than they used to. Of course the other side of that coin is that if you're FoxFan and no longer trust them you have to go more towards Mother Jones and the like. I just don't know what the other side is going to do now without John Stewart et al... (or ???)